Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/To do

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Query[edit]

Having gone through a number of the recently proposed templates I have found some for which wikipedia has no stub articles. Do i 1) create upmerged templates that have no articles ready for if someone creates some articles 2)remove from the to create list as they are not needed, 3) leave on the list till some one creates the articles or 4)any other ideas? the templates in question are{{Argentina-botanist-stub}}, , {{Paraguay-botanist-stub}}, {{Uruguay-botanist-stub}}, {{Peru-botanist-stub}}, {{Venezuela-botanist-stub}}, {{Greece-botanist-stub}}, {{Bolivia-scientist-stub}} and {{Paraguay-scientist-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 15:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Question re:New York counties[edit]

Hi. I was sorting articles using {{NewYork-geo-stub}} by county, and I noticed that two of the template names are differently formed: we have {{WestchesterNY-geo-stub}} and {{SuffolkNY-geo-stub}}, rather than {{WestchesterCountyNY-geo-stub}} and {{SuffolkCountyNY-geo-stub}}. I could just move them, but I don't want to mess up the system. Should I skip these in the sorting until the template names are changed? (Is this the sort of situation where I should just move them?) -GTBacchus(talk) 15:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, {{AdirondackCountyNY-geo-stub}} doesn't seem to exist. -GTBacchus(talk) 16:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I got a reply from Pegship via email, and I've addressed these concerns now. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 02:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget to sort[edit]

Now that our [usually] beloved Alai and his bot are gone, we have to sort new stub types by hand...and keep up with the old ones. Please check Category:Underpopulated stub categories and the re-sorting and oversized categories to help with maintenance. We have been creating a gazillion template which never get assigned. Very untidy! love, (mommy) Pegship (talk) 17:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

"Excess" counts[edit]

I've moved these to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Excess, with an update. You may wish to sit down before reading. Alai (talk) 14:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Karnataka geo-stubs[edit]

At some point, someone has made geo-stub subcategories for all districts of Karnataka (see Category:Karnataka geography stubs). They all need populating, but it is very likely that many of them will be undersized and need to be reupmerged. We won't know which ones do until the parent is sorted however, so this needs doing fairly promptly. Grutness...wha? 00:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Vetting of unlisted templates[edit]

This list is over a year out of date. If we want to keep a notice asking people to vet templates, we need an updated list. Otherwise, this should be taken off of the "to do" list. Dawynn (talk) 04:11, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Go for it, if no one has objected in almost three months now. Aelfthrytha (talk) 03:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Beetle stubs[edit]

I've gone through Category:Beetle stubs and sorted all the ones I could. The category is down to 1147 from the 1768 listed in the table. Of those 1147, a whopping 549 are included via the {{Buprestidae-stub}} template.

I guess that template is ready for its own category, is that right? Is that something I should do, or is there a place to get it approved first? I haven't been active in stub-sorting for a while, so please pardon my ignorance of procedure. -GTBacchus(talk) 23:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Tree Stubs?[edit]

Honestly don't feel comfortable enough to make this edit myself because I'm fairly new to this but in the ubdersize stub categories subheading one of the entries on the list is tree stubs.Two things 1) is that entry a prank? 2) if not a prank thats damn funny, is there a word for what this is, it's almost like spontaneously generated satire.

Hi there! If you mean that the words "tree" and "stub" seem ironically combined, I get it. Also, it isn't a prank; Category:Tree stubs is the parent category for several more specific stub categories. Kind of a catch-all for sorters like myself who wouldn't know a conifer from a ficus (I leave that to the arborists). Her Pegship (talk) 22:29, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Not sure how this works[edit]

I have been reading through the stub-sorting info, and I'm having trouble grasping some basic concepts. Let me give an example and maybe someone can enlighten me. At the bottom of Wikiproject Stub sorting/To do is 'Oversized stub categories'. I gather that these are categories that need to be split into more specific, manageable sub-categories. If I go to Category:Minnesota geography stubs, there are templates for all of the counties, which seems like a reasonable way to split the category. If I then choose Acton, Minnesota, I find that it already has {} at the bottom.

My basic question is, why doesn't the more specific template (Meeker County stub) move Acton, Minnesota out of the less specific category (Minnesota geography stub)? Or to put it another way, what needs to happen to this list of Minnesota stubs to move 'Minnesota geography stubs' off of the list of oversized stub categories (short of expanding all of the articles!). Leschnei (talk) 15:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Excellent question! In some cases, there aren't enough stub articles (60+) to justify a category for them. The stub template for a county (for example) is coded to place the article in the broader category in anticipation of the articles reaching threshold and gaining their own category. I've found that a good way to determine what needs sorting is to click on the regional template {{Minnesota-geo-stub}} and then click on "what links here". You can then go through that list of articles to see whether any can be changed to a county stub type. To see whether a county template has enough articles to get a category, do the same "what links here" trick; if there are 60+ articles, head over to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals and propose the category for speedy creation. I hope this makes sense...coffee has not kicked in yet... thanks for helping!! Her Pegship (talk) 14:32, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
So, stub templates are sort of like stub categories with training wheels! Thanks for the explanation; that helped. Leschnei (talk) 23:18, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Excellent analogy! Her Pegship (talk) 17:38, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Updating Oversized stub categories table[edit]

Hey, I was wondering if there is a tool used to generate or update the Oversized stub categories table? Or if someone has any guidance about the best way to update the table? This conversation is cross-posted at Talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting -Furicorn (talk) 08:31, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Once upon a time that was the labor of User:Alai, who has unfortunately not been seen in these parts for years. Do any other veteran stub-sorters have a clue as to how Alai did it?? Her Pegship (talk) 17:43, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
@Pegship: Thanks for trying. I think a follow up question I have is that I have seen several times when I've reached out that people ask why we would subdivide a large stub category (such as Category:Spilomelinae stubs), and I don't have a good response. -Furicorn (talk) 10:41, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@Furicorn: - Especially in the sciences, there are folks who specialize to the extent that they might look for extremely specific sub-categories to sort. Also, subdivisions keep the population of stub categories to a (relatively) manageable level. Or at least, a level less scary to the sorters. :P Her Pegship (talk) 16:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
@Pegship: thanks for the response. I'm hoping maybe if I give specific examples of conversations, you would be able to give me more specific advice about how to respond.
  1. Spilominae Stubs - in this case specifically, they thought it was a better idea to keep it as one giant stub category, but perhaps add {{Category TOC}}
  2. Pre 1707 Parliament of England stubs
-Furicorn (talk) 19:32, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
With the clear understanding that I know nothing about either UK politics or lepidopterae, I'd say leave them alone for now - and hope that the people who do know about them will work on the article contents. Just imho. Her :Pegship 23:26, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

@Pegship: Not sure who else to inform about this, but I figured out that maybe we can use the Quarry SQL tool to build out a query that can be used update the Oversized stub categories table. I posted a request on the help page and someone has kindly replied with a query here. It's not perfect yet, but it's a good start and I'm hoping that I can get some additional follow-up help to get the query we need. Once we get the query sorted out, I think we might be able to request a repeating job at Wikipedia talk:Database reports. -Furicorn (talk) 07:21, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Wow, that does look useful! I hope you can get help with the code - I'm not at all proficient in that sort of thing. I also have to sort by hand, as AWB doesn't work on Mac OS, but I'm certainly willing to pitch in on any sorting that doesn't involve bugs or invertebrates. Her Pegship (talk) 21:12, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, here is a query that as it stands can generate the table for stub categories that have approximately more than 5 pages https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/28451. It can't be pasted directly into the table because of the underscore in the first column, and the lack of commas in the third column, but we're getting closer! What do you mean by sorting by hand? I don't use AWB at all, so I'm not sure what sort of sorting it enables. -Furicorn (talk) 07:34, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Just me whinging...AWB enables users to mass edit articles, thus adding or changing stub templates on a number of articles at once. As it's Windows-based, Mac users such as myself have to edit each article individually, which in the case of these oversized stub cats is tedious as heck. ;P Her Pegship (speak) 17:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Becomes a little less tedious when one uses one heck of a lot of keyboard shortcuts and thus reduces each separate edit to a small number of keystrokes, but aye, tedious indeed. Speaking as that insane gal who works on a Windows pc system and still opts to manually-and-individually stub-sort. (That way if I make a mistake it's not as likely to happen to dozens upon dozens of articles because I'll probably catch it if not on the first edit then at least a handful edits in. Plus easier to follow a few links to other articles and to references when in doubt if the article categorization is actually correct, which isn't an entirely uncommon problem with Lepidoptera stubs. And part of me is just stubborn and says "bah, girl, you can do 10-15 repetitive-type edits a minute manually anyway, why bother with AWB?" ;P) AddWittyNameHere 18:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Here is the link to my open request for the report at Database Reports. I haven't gotten a response yet, but hopefully I do. -Furicorn (talk) 23:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

West-Virginia-election-stub[edit]

I've created a redirect to the correctly formed {{WestVirginia-election-stub}}; I hope I did it right! Can someone check it for me?? Her Pegship (speak) 18:37, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Pegship: Looks good to me, I went ahead and added wp templates to the talk page. -Furicorn (talk) 18:59, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Where to send templates for tweaking?[edit]

Hi folks - I just came across {{Pyrausta (moth)-stub}}, which should probably be {{Pyrausta-stub}}, and I can't recall whether we send it somewhere for renaming or just fix the format ourselves. Any ideas? Her Pegship (speak) 04:08, 20 November 2018 (UTC)