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RfD of interest to this WikiProject[edit]

There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 22#Laicization regarding a number of redirects within the scope of this WikiProject. Interested editors are invited to participate. Wug·a·po·des​ 05:28, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Papal pronunciations[edit]

User:PopesTouch seems to be having a go at adding rather ad-hoc pronunciation guides to article on popes. Is this...normal? I'm not sure that we do this type of thing on any other class of article. GMGtalk 06:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


I would like to join your projectBigRed606 (talk) 01:29, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@BigRed606: Welcome! Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
So how do I join?BigRed606 (talk) 05:59, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
see Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Members. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

How to write about a historic church?[edit]

I'm not convinced Pee Dee Missionary Baptist Church in Marlboro County, South Carolina is notable because it is not on the NRHP, but the building is the oldest church building still standing in that county, close to 200 years old. Unfortunately, it is falling down. I asked about news coverage but the person representing the local historic society seemed to think that was a strange question. I guess where I live newspapers cover historic buildings better. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:19, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

And this is all I have so far, which isn't enough to move to mainspace.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:41, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Kingdom Theology[edit]

Not sure why Wimber is mentioned so much in this article. Vos and Ladd certainly expanded the "already/Not yet" view and a quote from Wimber is understandable. But as he is a leader of a somewhat limited group and not a theologian of Ladd and Vos' level it's odd. This article could use more objective input. Does anyone have the time? Also, why is this listed under Charismatic? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clakrd52 (talkcontribs) 19:23, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

subcat Category:Christianity user templates[edit]

I was thinking it might be a good idea to subcat the "denominational" templates and leave only the general templates here. What say you? 🖖 ChristTrekker 🗣 13:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Expanding a bit, my primary rationale is simply the large number to scroll through, more than a page full currently. Category:Catholic user templates already exists. Category:Orthodox Christian user templates (as I can foresee other things labelled “Orthodox” that users may want to create someday) and Category:Protestant user templates seem like natural additions. Protestantism (and Orthodoxy to a lesser degree) has myriad denominations, none of which currently have more than a few userboxes, so I don't think we need to go further. My experience is limited mainly to Protestant traditions, so I wanted to get input before jumping in on this. 🖖 ChristTrekker 🗣 14:09, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's necessary. I suspect that if someone comes to the page—and I don't think it's a high-traffic page—they will use the find feature in their browser to search for a term that they identify with. However, if you would like to do the work, I wouldn't revert the changes. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:40, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Syriac Orthodox Church infobox[edit]

I am having troubles establishing WP:NPOV in "Origin" variable of infobox for Syriac Orthodox Church (mirroring its lead section). Please see: Talk:Syriac Orthodox Church. Thank you. PPEMES (talk) 07:34, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool[edit]

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Same place?[edit]

Is the Marth Mariam Cathedral and the Marth Mariyam Church really just one and the same church? The similarity between the two articles look too close to be coincidence. I was thinking about starting a merging discussion but want to bring it up here first. Inter&anthro (talk) 16:32, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I am confident that it is the same, being how small the ACOE is. Also, I am not entirely sure, but I think I smell a WP:HONORIFIC: "Marth" may be a feminine form of "Mar", the latter of which we've been carefully excising from articles on bishops. We may want to consider whether "Marth" is appropriate for article titles, etc. Elizium23 (talk) 16:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
@Elizium23: Since the latter article is so small, I just redirected it to the former, although if you feel a merger discussion should have taken place feel free to undue my edit. I could very well be wrong, but I think "Marth" is the feminine version of honorific "Mar" so that "Marth Mariam" (or Mariyam) could translate to "Saint Mary" in Syriac. Given how many churches in Kerala alone are named Saint Mary (see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 etc.) perhaps maybe the title should be kept to avoid confusion, although that is only my suggestion. Thanks Inter&anthro (talk) 17:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Those two seem indeed to be the same, but distinct from the linked article Basilica of Our Lady of Dolours, Thrissur. That is a better article and refers to the older one as Mart Mariam Big Church, so I would not change the honorific. – Fayenatic London 17:27, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Covenant vs contract[edit]

There has been a few odd edits to Old Testament where one author has been insisting on claiming that a covenant is a contract and using some sources to support. I don't have access to my textbooks, but they all made it clear that they are not synonymous. Assistance? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:59, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

I took heed of WP:ENEMY and did the job for you. Tgeorgescu (talk) 08:09, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't think you did. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Book of Daniel -- needs fixing[edit]

The Book of Daniel page, as well as all of the Daniel chapter pages, are very very biased. It seems that they are written by Seventh Day Adventists and showcase the theology of Judaism, SDA, and Mormonism, but completely ignore Christian theology.

For example, in Daniel 7, there is absolutely no mention that "Son of Man" refers to Jesus and is the title that Jesus took (from Daniel) whenever he referred to himself.

Instead it says "The identity of the "one like a son of man" who approaches God on his throne has been much discussed. The usual suggestion is that this figure represents the triumph of the Jewish people over their oppressor; the main alternative view is that he is the angelic leader of God's heavenly host" It completely ignores Daniel 7:14 which refers to the Son of Man as God: "13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." Lehasa (talk) 20:38, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


Why "fictional" but not "folkloristic" for example? Surely Chriskind and Ježíšek should be there? Word "fictional" rather should be reffered to something what was created by one author, for example in literary work or film. Maybe there is no perfect solution here but as we have article Jesus child I would also suggest create new category. Would be it possible if Child Jesus connect to Nativity of Jesus but Chriskind to this category? Dawid2009 (talk) 19:44, 8 December 2019 (UTC)