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Update to title of Simon Groot[edit]

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Template intended for another article disabled to prevent miscategorisation —Nizolan (talk · c.) 02:48, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Some proposed changes[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/en/World_Food_Prize#Laureates

Information to be added or removed: Change "Founder and leader of East-West Seed..." to "Founder and honorary chairman of East-West Seed..." Explanation of issue: Mr Groot's current title is Honorary Chairman of East-West Seed. His son, Ard Groot, is Chairman and Bert van der Feltz is the company's President & CEO. References supporting change: [1] [2] BrenRoa (talk) 04:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

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Award wins, nominations, and "pending" awards[edit]

Okay, so through various different pages and editing I've come across a question/issue with {{Infobox awards list}} and {{Infobox musician awards}}. Specifically, that there is no "pending" in either template, causing some editors to stick the whole damn template into the article space (example 2). There is also some discrepancy (mentioned but not dealt with here) about counting nominations even if they turned into wins, so I have two questions:

  1. Should the "nominations" field of the awards lists contain nominations and wins? In other words, if an artist is nominated for 10 awards and won 4 of them, would we list that as (4/6) or (4/10)?
  2. Should we list "pending" awards? To keep using Ariana as an example, the 2019 MTV Video Music Awards haven't happened yet and so the result is listed as "pending". In my opinion, she's still nominated, so these should be marked as "nominated" (but I have no issue going with consensus if people feel otherwise).

In other words, I'm mostly looking for a little more consistency between all of the various articles that use (or subst'ed) the awards templates. Primefac (talk) 22:50, 12 August 2019 (UTC) (please do not ping on reply)

  • I'm not totally convinced that pending is needed in the summary, but if it stops stupid edits like the one you linked to, then adding it is worth it. Regarding your first question, I'm not sure what the correct way to go is. I'll add 2 more issues. I've long thought that manually updating the totals was a very bizarre way of handling this template, so at the sandbox of Template:Infobox actor awards I've added code for automatic calculations. However, that also requires manually inserting awards to the code, which while better than the current process, is still not good. Another editor also brought up an issue with alphabetizing the order with the manual awards, which in the current setup cannot happen. Both issues can be solved if the templates are converted to Lua. However, as the infobox module is not setup for access from other modules I wasn't sure how to even start that. --Gonnym (talk) 12:04, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • 1: No. 2: No. Wins are their own parameter. If there's a template where they aren't, then fix it. Pending stuff is hypothetical, thus see WP:NOT#CRYSTAL and WP:NODEADLINE. WP will have info on the award after it is in fact awarded. (It's important in this particular context to remember that recipients of awards can decline them.) — AReaderOutThatawayt/c 15:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • On Q1: Yes, because a nominations totals is literally the total number of nominations the subject has received regardless of how many were won. 5 Grammy nominations received and 2 won makes an artist a 5x Grammy nominee and 2x winner - not a 3x nominee (the amount of nominations not won). Please refer to my comments on this here. Wins and nominations have their own parameters that should reflect the mere totals of each. Not including the total number of nominations received in the infobox nominations totals confuses and does not service readers, nor does it accurately reflect the subject's awards total history.
Comment on Q2: I don't find a pending parameter in the infobox useful and it's just unnecessary work for editors. The pending awards haven't happened therefore there's no reason to reference them at all in the infobox until the results are announced. Lapadite (talk) 18:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Note there is now a discussion at the template talk. I'll probably transclude this section but since now most of the "awards" templates have been merged into {{Infobox awards list}} it might be best to continue the conversation there. Primefac (talk) 20:05, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • 1: Yes. 2: No. I tend to read this as "X wins from Y nominations". Nominations include wins and losses. I would tend not to include pending nominations because this would offset the implied win-to-nomination ratio. Whatever is decided, a footnote should clearly and concisely explain what is presented. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • No, and No. It's sorely reader-confusing to count the same thing as both a win and a nomination. The entire point of tracking nominations at all is that they're losses but for something that even being nominated for it contributes to notability. If necessary, add an autogenerated footnote that "nominations" doesn't redundantly include wins. Look at is this way: In a serial killer template, we would not include a murder in both a list of "murders" and a list of "attempted murders", re-counting the murder as a "successful attempt". Or another way to look at it: the very meaning of a nomination that wasn't a loss (i.e., not just a nomination) is that it was a win. That a nomination phase happened before the win is inherent in any awards process that involves nominations. Another way to look at it: If I have two pizzas, and I cook and eat one, it no longer makes sense to say I have two pizzas; one of the pizzas has transformed into a mass of goop in my stomach. On the second matter, see WP:NOT#CRYSTAL; no award or nomination should be listed as "pending", only listed after it is confirmed, since these things can change. SMcCandlish ¢ 😼 11:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool[edit]

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Fees!![edit]

It is important to note that the fee for entering the competition is a whopping 122 euros (artists over 25 yrs old), and 97,6 euros (25 and under). They actually use the term "free theme" for submissions, ignoring the tremendous wealth gap this represents for a vast majority of artists. This is part of a mega cottage industry financed on the backs of struggling artists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reroot (talkcontribs) 00:32, 2 November 2019 (UTC)