Wikipedia talk:Article alerts


Transclusion of templates that aren't in the original[edit]

In this edit, in the PRODs section, AAlert Bot is transcluding {}{} when these are no longer part of the {{Proposed deletion/dated}} template in the PRODded page. They were moved out of the prod template in this edit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:12, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting. The bot doesn't re-read pages it has already seen. But I manually set it to re-read that one. It should get fixed next run. As a side-note, I really need to improve user text parsing some day... —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Missed TfD for WikiProject Shakespeare[edit]

Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Bugs#TfM_not_picked_up

Setting up[edit]

So will the bot automatically populate the information needed in the page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy/Article_alerts, or do I need to add some wikicode to set it up? I already added the project to the subscription list page, and had to create Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy/Article_alerts as a new blank page. Tea and crumpets (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@Tea and crumpets: This is correct and all you have to do. The bot will create whatever other pages it needs to tomorrow morning when it runs. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! Tea and crumpets (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
@Tea and crumpets: Sorry about this, I meant to copy-paste from below and change things to genealogy, but I brainfarted. You fixed things so everything should be good tomorrow. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Computer down[edit]

@Hellknowz: just a heads up that my computer will be offline for the foreseeable future. A CPU fan died, and my computer now doesn't POST after I changed it. It will be a few days before I can diagnose the exact issues / get new parts as I am traveling.

On the "plus" side, if my i7-4790K is fried, it's very likely I will get the new Ryzen 3900 with monster performance, especially in parallel tasks.

I am however hoping it's just a fan/faulty wiring issue. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Empty a bag of dry ice onto the motherboard. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
@Hellknowz: Fried PSU. Luckily I had a spare around. Things should resume as normal from tomorrow onwards. Still going to order a new one because I'm not comfortable with a 700W-only PSU. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

AAlertBot[edit]

Seems the bot has stopped on July 19 [1]. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. Looks like it failed to run on Headbomb's revived PC. It should run in a bit from my side. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Multiple infoboxes/categories?[edit]

Is it possible to set up Article alerts based on multiple infoboxes and/or talk page categories? Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life is effectively a meta-project covering all articles on biological taxa. Very few articles are tagged directly for the project, but the project talk page attracts discussions from editors interested in a variety of different kinds of organisms (which are tagged for various sub-projects). It would be helpful to have article alerts cover articles tagged for the various ToL subprojects.

Currently, article alerts for Tree of Life are largely based on the presence of {{Speciesbox}}. However, this isn't the only infobox used in relevant articles. {{Automatic taxobox}} is widely used, as is {{Taxobox}} (although articles are slowly being converted from using Taxobox to Automatic taxobox or Speciesbox). There are a few other infobox templates that are used in a small number of articles.

|talksubcategories= implies that multiple categories could be supported, but I don't see any examples on the subscription page of multiple subcategories, and it's not clear what syntax should be used if multiple categories are in fact supported. If multiple categories are supported, that could be a solution.

Category:Articles with 'species' microformats includes all the articles I'd like to see covered in Tree of Life article alerts, but it is not a talk page category. Plantdrew (talk) 20:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

There is no way to subscribe to multiple sources of the same type (i.e. 2 infoboxes). But you can however subscribe to a main category. I added the category for the subscription. It seems to work fine. 400,376 pages is a bit crazy for a project and it will slow the bot a bit, but it's probably okay. The actual number of pages in workflows is much lower. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
See also this feature request. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you Hellknowz. Headbomb, I'm not sure where else it would make sense to generalize with multiple parameter switches, but it would certainly be appropriate for Tree of Life. I do want to note that |maincategory isn't documented at Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscribing and the plural form of |talksubcategories= implies that multiple subcategories are supported, which should be clarified if that is note the case. Plantdrew (talk) 04:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Subscriptions aren't really supposed to use main categories. The point was that project pages are tagged by a project banner. Later it turned out that task forces and certain projects don't have banners, but use categories. And some don't have a single category, only WP 1.0 categorization. Then a few projects use easily-identifiable infoboxes and some have easily-identifiable main category, especially on new articles. So those were added one at a time, but not in any sort of modular way. Adding more options gets exponentially messier and it's already near-impossible to mes with these. It's something I might do in the future, but then it would also at the cost of not implementing features and fixing bugs that have been around forever. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 07:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Foo/Article alerts/Archive[edit]

I'm not sure what purpose is served by keeping "alerts" all the way back to 2010, other than cluttering the hell out of Special:Whatlinkshere (for users and articles alike). In fact, I'd propose a maximum shelf life of 90 days. Sooner for WikiProjects of overly broad scope, such as "Years". ―cobaltcigs 13:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

The archiving as a feature was never revisited since the bot's inception. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but obviously the amount and history of these pages has gone way beyond manageable numbers. To be honest, I think it's kind of useless. I don't think anyone has ever used it for anything productive. One reason I can imagine is to see what kind of stuff has happened over time and which articles were involved in what sort of discussions and what direction the projects are taking. But that feels like a job for database/dump parsing to prepare reports with some actually meaningful metrics. And I do hear you on "what links here" clutter, especially to users. Personally, I would not miss archives if they disappeared. And I imagine no one would even notice for a long time if we just switched them off. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Personally, I find the archives useful. It's not like I use them daily, but every now and then I go "Wasn't there a discussion about... " and I'll dig up the archives. If a specific WikiProject doesn't feel the need for archives, they could always disable them / clear old entries, but by default archives are more useful than not. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article alerts/Problem entries/Old[edit]

Has not been updated since July 29. Thanks for your hard work. --Finngall talk 16:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, the bot is hitting page size limit after recent merge/split/AfC addition because most of the backlog is "old". I need to redo the whole reporting and "old" decision logic to get that running again. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 18:20, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article alerts/Workflow grouping[edit]

Is "DYKN" really in the 'GOOD' group? I'd have figured MISC if anything. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I guess the idea is that it's "good" enough to show on the main page; there's a review process and everything -- the better side of new or expanded pages. Could move it to MISC. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:43, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Peer review/header and Template:Peer review/heading nominated for merging[edit]

Template:Peer review/header has been nominated for merging with Template:Peer review/heading in this Templates for Discussion thread. I thought people here might be interested due to the bot usage warning on both templates' documentation. –Sonicwave talk 22:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice! I finally checked it out and it doesn't look like these two will have any impact on the bot. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Bot[edit]

Seems AAlertBot has stopped working on September 5 [2]. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice! I ran the bot now. Looks like it actually finished the run, so the data is there, just the very last pages failed to upload. Pingalingading @Headbomb: —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Update 2: AAlertBot stopped working yesterday! Hellknowz Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. I already asked Headbomb to (re)start it manually, but he hasn't gotten to it yet. I can't really run it on my end because the data files are in the "middle of a run". —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:00, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Category alert not listed for WikProject Chess[edit]

Category:Women's World Chess Champions was tagged for speedy renaming on 20 Sept 2019, but not listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chess/Article alerts. Full category discussions don't seem to have generated alerts there either (e.g. not Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_March_21#Category:Gambits). What's the problem, please? – Fayenatic London 21:15, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Speedy stuff is not listed in alerts by design, only CfDs with discussions. I'm afraid I can't check the other one since it's deleted. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Category:Gambits was in Category:Chess openings and Category talk:Gambits was tagged with {{WikiProject Chess}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. It sounds like it should have been reported, I have no idea why it wasn't. May be syntax on the page was malformed or something. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:05, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Template:TFAFULL[edit]

There's a message on that template page to leave a notice here if we're going to fiddle with this template. It looks like we are, based on the discussion at WT:TFA#Featured topics. If I understand right, your bot is expecting this template to be present, so I guess what I'll do is just expand the template so that it can take two parameters, on those days when the TFA has a Featured Topic. - Dank (push to talk) 02:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. The bot uses the template to get the page name from the dated TFA pages. I'll take a look once you make your changes and see if I need to adjust anything. I can also check for a different template(s), like {{TFAFULL2}}, I didn't even realize those existed. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
TFAFULL2 didn't exist until yesterday. When there's just one parameter, it duplicates the action of TFAFULL. I'm assuming you guys will want me to rename TFAFULL2 to TFAFULL at some point ... let me know if not. - Dank (push to talk) 12:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Less templates is probably better all around, so I would say TFAFULL can just support second parameter (i.e. move TFAFULL2 to TFAFULL). I'll update the code to use the second parameter. Feel free to do it whenever, I'll change the bot later, nothing will break meanwhile. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC)