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Thank you[edit]

Your efforts have made it possible for the Tip of the day to return to its high help profile. Therefore...

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A barnstar, for you...[edit]

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Your dedication behind-the-scenes in making sure the tips are displayed day-after-day, year-after-year, has not gone unnoticed. Thank you. Here's to a job well done. Cheers.    — The Transhumanist   23:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Friendly search suggestions[edit]

Hi, I am wondering about the {} banner you have been adding to Talk pages. I'm sure you mean it to be helpful, but I find it unnecessary, intrusive and unrelated to the topic. The Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not guidelines state that "Wikipedia is not a repository of links." I think that the vast majority of visitors to Talk pages know how to use search engines, so I don't really understand the purpose of the banner. Anyone wanting to know about search engines isn't going to go to a Wikipedia Talk page on an unrelated topic to find out about them. My feeling is that, as the banner is unrelated to the topic's Talk page, it should be removed - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 18:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

@Epinoia: I'm a little confused as to why backlog at Category:Articles lacking in-text citations dates back to December 2006? I thought adding the banner would be helpful to editors looking for references. If the banner is not helpful wondering why it was created?
I thought purpose of the banner is for articles tagged with no footnotes more footnotes unreferenced.
Since I started on Wikipedia in 2014 I attempted References to an article only once or twice (unsuccessfully) so I switched over to doing mainly article assessments.
Your feedback above is the first time anyone objected to placement of the banner. What about newer editors?
Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 21:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
My objections to your “Friendly search suggestions” banner template are:
  • Promotional – the search engines listed are nearly all commercial businesses, so this smacks of promotion – Wikipedia is not a soapbox for promoting your preferred search engines.
  • Irrelevant – a list of search engines has no relation to the topic of the article. WP:RELEVANCE
  • Unnecessarily clutters the Talk page and distracts from important headers containing information relevant to the topic.
  • Unhelpful – a list of search engines doesn’t help anyone with how to use search engines, how to research effectively, or how to distinguish reliable sources from unreliable internet sources.
  • Redundant – there is already an extensive List of search engines Wikipedia article – anyone looking for search engines will likely go there rather than to the Talk page of an unrelated topic.
  • Selective – prioritizes internet searches over print books, journals, etc. – some of these can be found online, but not all – friendly search suggestions would include the local library and bookstore.
  • Superfluous – anyone using Wikipedia probably has some experience with search engines and how to use them.
  • Patronizing – "What about newer editors?" – because someone is new to Wikipedia does not mean they are new to the internet or to search engines, and to assume so is patronizing – and they will find better and more complete information in articles such as List of search engines, Outline of search engines and Web search engine.
  • Condescending – assumes ignorance on the part of users and is therefore condescending.
- I believe these banners should be removed as not relevant to the topic - Epinoia (talk) 00:39, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Epinoia: - If the banner (not my banner) is so objectional I suggest you propose it for Deletion.
I do see your point about cluttering up Talk pages some of which are very busy. In the interim I can stop adding more Friendly search suggestions banners.
Wondering if this discussion should be moved elsewhere?
What are your thoughts about a smaller {} - styled article talk header template for article talk pages.
Also found Template:Refideas as an alternative, as it can be very article-specific.
Thanks for taking the time for your explanation. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:19, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- my apologies for thinking that you created the {} banner template, that was my mistake - personally, I don't think that banner templates like {} and {} belong on Talk pages, but other more experienced editors may disagree - the problem is that they give a list of potential sources, but don't actually teach or instruct anyone how to research a reliable source - it's like giving someone a fleet of cars without teaching them how to drive - people who need help with sources can go to the Help Desk or Reference Desk or Tea House where they will get help specific to their problem rather than a general list of search options - I think banner templates such as {} (which has a "Find sources" line) and {} displayed on the article page, where they are more likely to be seen, are more constructive and useful - maybe I am overreacting and maybe this isn't such a big deal, but search suggestions don't belong on Talk pages - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 01:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Epinoia: - During my 44-years in the computer industry, I was known as the "Mr.Fixit" of computer problems-hardware & software, so I am used to "Getting It Done" and moving on to next issue. While looking around on Wikipedia, I found this smaller search template that may be helpful.

A small sidebar Template Search for - This template is a multi-purpose search engine sidebar (primarily for use on discussion pages).

Example -
Example (that I did) at article Talk page: British Mountaineering Council

Wondering your opinion on this one? I think it's an interesting GUI to direct a person to specific search based on what they are looking for. Disadvantage is need to type article title into template, so if article is ever moved, will need to be changed. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 02:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Meeting Thursday[edit]

Hi, Joe! Happy New Year! Audiodude and Kelson are having a meeting on Thursday at the usual time, and they would like you (& me) to join them if you're available. They're going to give us an update on the bot work. Hope you can attend. Regards, Walkerma (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@Walkerma: Thanks for letting me know. Will mark on my calendar. Cheers!

JoeHebda (talk) 13:36, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

@Walkerma: At 13:00 Central time today I waited for about 10 minutes & no one was there except Kelson "ducked in" for about 10 seconds & was gone. JoeHebda (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately Audiodude didn't make it at all, but I'm not sure why we didn't see you! We were on this page. Apparently there isn't any more new code yet. Kelson & I chatted for a while, just after 14:00 Eastern time. I was a bit late because I was with a student and lost track of time, but Kelson was checking in regularly in and found me. I never saw you at all, so I assumed you were busy. Anyway, the only real outcome: Kelson has some time in the next few days and plans to fix the worst problems with the old bot. Regards, Walkerma (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
@Walkerma: - The bot has not created WP quality logs since October 8, 2018. For example, here. The last Assessment tables were updated December 19, 2018 here.
IMO, both are important for credibility to the entire Wikipedia community. Don't know if you heard of the theory of "Next"'. Whenever a situation gets me frustrated & I'm not able to help solve, I walk away. So I've moved on to help with the over 90,000 article backlog here. JoeHebda (talk) 18:38, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I fully understand! That's an excellent place for you to contribute and be appreciated! You've already contributed a lot to the 1.0 project - but I hope that we can get your input again once things start moving. I've worked on the WP1.0 project since 2005, and it tends to be short bursts of frenzied activity counterbalanced with long periods of frustration and waiting - but someone needs to be there when the new opportunities arise. I'll ping you once we've made some progress. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 05:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@Walkerma: - Looking fwd to any chance of old bot running again... JoeHebda (talk) 18:59, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

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FYI - Background color, changed from default[edit]

Greetings (Cullen328PrimeHunterThe TranshumanistWalkerma) - Since cataract surgery this past springtime I've been "bothered" by the brightness of default white background on WP pages. Recently I updated my Vector skin to a different color, Linen. It still has a good contrast and readability. Here is what I changed.

.mw-body { background-color: #faf0e6; } /* color Linen */

Since this is helping me, I thought to share with you all. And no, it's not pink, more like whats on bandages? Feel free to change to your favorite instead. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 15:20, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Nice tip.
Are you going to include that in WP:TOTD? Face-smile.svg    — The Transhumanist   15:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. I am glad you found something that makes reading easier for you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:11, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

My bad[edit]

Hey, just wanted to say sorry for undoing your rating on Talk:Umar Shaikh Mirza I the other day. Honestly I didn't realise you already rated it; I thought it was just a leftover from when I copy and pasted the template. So anyways, thanks for doing it so quickly. Alivardi (talk) 15:49, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

WP:MILHIST Article assessments[edit]

Why do you not complete the "B class" criteria for WP:MILHIST? I try and leave a message to let you know that your assessments are causing a "void" in WP:MILHIST. Adamdaley (talk) 07:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Adamdaley (talk) - Please send your feedback about this issue to Evad37 here as this is the first time I've heard of the problem. An example would be helpful, such as Talk:George W. Smith (USMC). Wondering if WP Milhist does not allow class=start" assessment like other WPs?
After adding the "B class" criteria, the talk page now shows a class of "?" instead of "Start". So I'm confused & will avoid Milhist articles going forward. JoeHebda (talk) 13:26, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes it does accept "Start class" in WP:MILHIST. Unfortunately, if it is given "Start class", "C class" or "B class", and nothing is done about the "B-Class 5-criteria checklist" is ignored, then it creates a backlog. If you want to assess something for "C class", then the "B-class 5-criteria checklist needs to be completed otherwise, it'll revert back to "Start class". Same thing with "B class", it requires the "B-Class 5-criteria checklist" to be done in order for it to be "B class", it just makes more backlogs elsewhere in WP:MILHIST. Adamdaley (talk) 03:20, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

St Peter's Roman Catholic Church, Buckie[edit]

Hi - you recently rated the above article 'Start Class'. Grading articles is something I have zero experience in, so I'm not coming here to tell you that I think you're wrong; rather, I'd like to develop get a handle on what I can do to improve the quality of the article.

I had a look at the 'editing suggestions' at quality scale for architecture - I am pretty sure that the sourcing is OK, so I'm assuming that I should be thinking about the writing style, organisation or content. I'd be eager to try to get this to C class if I can, any advice you can offer would be appreciated. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 19:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Greetings Girth Summit - After a second look at this article, I changed to class=C status, and added criteria for B-Class status checklist. There is some "trickiness" with wikiprojects. First I removed WP Catholicism from WP Christianity & added as a separate WP. Then added the checkist & changed "Structure" to yes.
If you get a chance, I would highly recommend that you install the Rater script. It's an extremely helpful tool. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 21:28, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I confess that I just copied the banners a reviewer placed on another page I created, and manually changed Church of Scotland to Catholic - I'll have a play with that Rater script, thanks for the suggestion. GirthSummit (blether) 08:38, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Please check...[edit]

That there isn't already a short description template on the article before adding one? Here there already is one at the bottom of the page, and likewise Asser already had one at the bottom also. It's probably not good for the articles to have two such templates. May I suggest using the script suggested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Short descriptions#How can I see the short description in desktop view? to see if the description is already there? It should show up right under the title with "<description>. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" if there already is a short description, and "<description from wikidata> (Wikidata). From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" with the "(Wikidata)" in orange to be easier to see. Sometimes the description templates are at the bottom of the page, instead of the top, so you need to make sure you're not adding duplicates. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Got it, thanks Ealdgyth - Did not see those at bottom. Have already gadget activated to show short descr. Easier for me to see hidden category Articles with short description beforehand. JoeHebda (talk) 23:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Alonso Pita da Veiga[edit]

Hi JoeHebda. I've made some minor improvements to Alonso Pita da Veiga. Since the whole article is based on the text of a royal decree, and since a reference is given to a book where that text is reproduced, do you consider that the tagging is still needed? Thanks: Bhunacat10 (talk), 11:31, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Invalid C Class Article assessment[edit]


I was here several weeks ago to explain to you that you were assessing the Biography (Military History) articles. The way you are assessing are invalid and reverts back to "Start class". Could you please, once again, read over the WP:MILHIST assessment for "B class assessments" since this applies to any "Start class", "C class" or "B class" assessments for articles in WP:MILHIST or I'll have to talk to someone about your edits. Adamdaley (talk) 01:52, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Adamdaley: - Sorry if I am still confused. For some time now I've been working at Category:Unassessed biography articles with only minor issues from time-to-time. Specifically for Category:Unassessed biography (military) articles, I have read what you suggested. For MH talk pages without the Class-B checklist, I've been adding those lines, and rely on Rater assessment tool and taking the default values. If those are incorrect I apologize and would be thankful for your help. Could you please explain to me what is incorrect about the assessment, and what is the correct assessment method? Here is the class-b that I've been using for copy-and-paste.
<!-- B-Class 5-criteria checklist --> | b1 <!-- Referencing and citations --> = <yes/no> | b2 <!-- Coverage and accuracy --> = <yes/no> | b3 <!-- Structure --> = <yes/no> | b4 <!-- Grammar and style --> = <yes/no> | b5 <!-- Supporting materials --> = <yes/no>
If I should be using something different, please let me know. Thanks, JoeHebda (talk) 13:42, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

This is how to assess them.
| b1 = Is the article have references and citations throughout the article? Yes (y) or No (n).

| b2 = Does the article have coverage and accuracy? Yes (y) or No (n).

| b3 = Does the article have structure? Yes (y) or No (n).

| b4 = Is the article have grammar and style? (no spelling mistakes etc)? Yes (y) or No (n).

| b5 = Does the subject have supporting materials? Pictures and infobox. Yes (y) or No (n).
Adamdaley (talk) 00:23, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Adamdaley: - Before continuing further with MH assessments, could you do me a favor & look at Talk:Orland Smith & see if that one assessment is correct? If not, please let me know how it can be improved. Thanks, JoeHebda (talk) 15:06, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Adamdaley (talk) 23:15, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and invitation[edit]

Hi - thanks for tying up my loose ends at Church of The Incarnation, Tombae - I really appreciate it. I wanted to ask whether you'd ever looked into WP:NPP before? A couple of my new articles have benefited from your attention now, and you've obviously got a wealth of experience in reviewing and rating articles; the NPP backlog (as shown here) is getting pretty hefty, and I'm sure someone with your experience would be a very valuable member of the team, if you were interested. Thought I'd ask, just in case. Cheers, and thanks again GirthSummit (blether) 12:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: - Thanks for the consideration. Currently my main focus is Category:Unassessed biography articles where the backlog is over 80,000 articles. Starting at the top, I'm currently working the H's. Many of these have been backlogged 1 to 2-plus years. For "variety" I also look at a few of Category:Articles needing additional categories each day. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 14:51, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Crikey - that's quite a backlog! OK, well, I can see you've got your hands full so I'll leave you to it, but if you ever fancy a different bit of variety, you'd be very welcome. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 14:54, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Hermann Herlitz rating[edit]

I noticed you rated Hermann Herlitz that I recently wrote in diff. Thanks, but do you mind if I ask about the basis of the rating? The rating is now C for Biography and Germany which have criteria here and here. What would be needed for the article to meet the B criteria? Johnuniq (talk) 02:02, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: - Using Rater assessment tool, WP Bio class was blank, and it recommended Class = C for this article. So I took those defaults for the assessment update. Feel free to update to class = B as that may be more appropriate. Thanks for letting me know. The backlog for Category:Unassessed biography articles is over 80,000 articles so I've been working that backlog using Rater & find that it's usually correct better than 90-percent of the time. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 02:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I have learned something amazing. User:Evad37/rater.js replaces the article class with the ORES prediction. The permalink for Hermann Herlitz currently has oldid = 896390232 and that is the revision id. The ORES link is then which predicts C class. That's sure to be valid as an average but a consequence is that an article on someone like Hermann Herlitz could never be rated as more than C because it is not possible to do much better than the current text which actually satisfies all the B criteria. Johnuniq (talk) 03:37, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Antonio Horvath[edit]

I've moved the draft back to mainspace. Since when did we move clearly notable stubs into draft space? GiantSnowman 07:26, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

GiantSnowman - See response at Talk:Antonio Horvath. JoeHebda (talk) 11:53, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Talk:May Hollinworth[edit]

Hi, I notice that you have rated my article May Hollinworth as Start Class. Would you be kind enough to explain what led you to give it that rating? I don't see how it fits with the Start class criteria, nor do I find the Editing Suggestions for Start class articles useful in relation to it. Many thanks, RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@RebeccaGreen: - Yes, you are correct. Thanks for letting me know. The Rater assessment tool estimates the article at "GA" so I changed to "C" class for now. Also, I added a "Subject bar" at bottom. Should you think the article be assessed to "B" or "GA" I would have zero issues with that as I normally am not involved in any of those discussions. Leaving it to your expertise. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I have no experience with article rating, and I can see just from your Talk page that there's a huge backlog and a need to use various tools to get through it. I'm interested to hear that one rating tool gives it "GA" - that may indeed be worth following up. Thanks again, RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:MILHIST B class criteria – AGAIN[edit]

Listen, please don't remove or even say "no" in the WP:MILHIST B class criteria. It needs to be completed properly and you don't seem to understand how important it is for this to be filled out correctly. Please when I put it in, leave it. Adamdaley (talk) 01:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

@Adamdaley: - As mentioned above, I've been using the Rater assessment tool, to work on the huge WP Bio backlog at Category:Unassessed biography articles. I'm not specifically doing any MH articles but there must have been some "in there" and the Rater default update must be creating the issues you describe. Going forward, I will try to skip over those bios & leave them as-is. Previously I was looking at MH subcategory & not anymore.
BTW the backlog is now under 80,000 and yesterday I completed the H's. If you would like to help me working on the I's (or anywhere in the cat.) that would be great. I added a Call for volunteers at the WP Bio assessment page. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
  • In that case, leave the WP:MILHIST alone as you do not know or understand how to assess WP:MILHIST assessment. Adamdaley (talk) 07:56, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Wow, it's cool that you're doing this, JoeHebda. I would agree to probably leave MILHIST alone. That is always my policy (and often Rater breaks on MILHIST pages for me anyway). Joe, I made a (draft) guide to the use of Rater that may be helpful for you and for your assessment drive. Why don't you take a look? User:Prometheus720/sandbox/Assessing Articles with Rater--A Detailed Guide Prometheus720 (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
@Prometheus720: - Yesterday before my internet connection was down I did read most of the Guide. Overall it could be condensed & after CEs would be quite useful. I really like the suggestion about Rater deleting WP Bio & re-adding to get that "listas" without re-typing the entire thing. Even though I've posted that Call for Volunteers in several places there is no response so far. Rather than being discouraged, I remain focused on the work-at-hand. Of all the Alphabet-letters it would be great to find 25 people each who would "adopt" a letter - a longterm solution as that Bot keeps populating the category. Any thoughts of you working on letter-P articles? JoeHebda (talk) 12:29, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Joe, I'm glad to hear that! No one I have sent it to has actually given me feedback on it. Evad37 has been absent and other people haven't really said much about it. If you look on my user page, I already maintain several pages that fill up and need assessment. I suppose I can add one more. ;) I'm rather busy right now so I can't promise I will complete this today or something--but I will pick at it over the next few days or so. I'll also throw it out in the Discord and see if anyone there would like to adopt a letter. I'm sure that I could find some people to take up a letter or two. I actually meant to do something very similar to this on WP:WOMSCI for a backlog of about 3800, but actually, those articles are probably mostly contained in this backlog so perhaps I won't bother. Hopefully by the time we are done here that backlog will be a few hundred instead (which is manageable for me). Good luck!Prometheus720 (talk) 16:09, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
@Prometheus720: - I just now updated the Call for Volunteers here in the hopes of attracting help. Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 16:23, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm so sorry, I addressed you by the wrong name in my last comment. And on your user talk no less! I got confused by the Rater discussion, my apologies. Prometheus720 (talk) 16:26, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Prometheus720: - perfectly OK, it made me laugh! :-) JoeHebda (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Problem editor on WikiProject Catholicism[edit]

I think we have a problematic editor on the Talk Page for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism. User:Epiphyllumlover is not a member of the project but is a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Lutheranism, but he seems to feel the need to insert himself into every discussion on WikiProject Catholicism. His edit history makes it clear that he has an agenda of inserting anti-Catholic material whenever possible on Wikipedia. See the discussion that took place here:

Is there anything you can do about this? --PluniaZ (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

This user has also been caught trying to canvass an article about the Catholic Church here: --PluniaZ (talk) 06:36, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Greetings ( PluniaZ RFD Epiphyllumlover) - wondering if you all can resolve this issue peacefully? I've been working on Wikipedia since 2014 as a WikiGnome and am not able to contribute. Another resource at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard could be an option. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you were the leader of the Project. Do you know if there is anyone with such a role? --PluniaZ (talk) 16:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@PluniaZ: - Over at Wikimedia they might have project leaders but to my knowledge none on the English Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:VOLUNTEER for details. JoeHebda (talk) 23:46, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

July 2019 - Hassan Ali Funjan[edit]

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Hassan Ali Funjan, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. I'm Caker18 ! I edit Wikipedia sparingly. (talk) 11:20, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

@Caker18: - While using the Rater assessment tool, one of the "tricks" for WP Biography is to Delete it, then re-add so that Rater fills in the "listas" automatically (instead of having to manually type in name-last, name-first). Sorry I did not realize that it shows up in "View history" as "Blanking". Going fwd, I will add the other WPs first & then update WP Bio last. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 11:34, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

100,000th edit![edit]

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Let me be the first to congratulate you on your 100,000th edit! You are now entitled to place the 100,000 Edit Star on your bling page! or you could choose to display the {{User 100,000 edits}} user box. Or both! Cheers, — MarnetteD|Talk 04:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Actor & filmmaker biographies[edit]

Hi JoeHebda, just an FYI... the scope of WikiProject Film does not cover actors or filmmakers, if you're adding project banners to biography articles can you instead add them to WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers by using the appropriate parameter in the {{WikiProject Biography}} banner? Cheers! PC78 (talk) 11:58, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@PC78: - Thanks for letting me know & pointing me in the right direction. I was not aware of this, so going forward, no bios for WP film, tag WP Actors and Filmmakers using workgroup of WP bio. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 12:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Automating DYKs[edit]

Hey JH, there is also a template to automate the DYK sections, {{transclude selected recent additions}}. Caveat that it has the same limitations as the news automation (including that the picture needs to be manually changed), but would you like me to implelement it on Portal:Catholicism as a test so you can see what it looks like? UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:25, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Greetings @UnitedStatesian: - For DYK, I have not been involved with any of those. After looking at Portal:Catholicism I see the page is random-number seeded from over 90 dyk's here. At first glance (and second also), it would be high-risk to use {{transclude selected recent additions}} on the portal main page. Rather, it might be helpful down at the "Nominations" section? To capture new entries.
In addition to portal Cath. from time-to-time I have visited Portal:Saints. Their DYK page seeds only 19 entries from here, so maybe use that one for testing instead?
Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 11:32, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Margaret Barr (choreographer)[edit]

Hi, I notice that you have, once again, rated an article of mine, Margaret Barr (choreographer), as Start Class. Would you be kind enough to explain what led you to give it that rating? I don't see how it fits with the Start class criteria, nor do I find the Editing Suggestions for Start class articles useful in relation to it. Many thanks, RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@RebeccaGreen: - When I look at View history for that article, my username is not on there, going all the way back to 30 December 2018‎. JoeHebda (talk) 18:30, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi JoeHebda, I was asking about the article rating, which, as I'm sure you know, appears on the article talk page. Your username does appear on the Talk:Margaret Barr (choreographer) history here [1] with the edit summary "Assessment: Biography (Start); Dance (Start/Low); Women's History (Start/Low); Australia (Start/Low)". I thought I would ask you about it before asking for a reassessment. RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:44, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
@RebeccaGreen: - You're right. When I was lookingat View history, I was on the Article page, not the Talk page. When I now ran Rater tool, ORES gives the article a FA, so I reassessed up to a class C (mostly complete). Normally I'm not involved in moving an article up the line to B or higher status. Thanks for letting me know. The Bio backlog continues to be over 75,000 plus articles. So from time-to-time I do make mistakes while pushing through many assessments each day. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 18:56, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

This is just a note to thank you for adding a rating for Betty Wragge today and for applying ratings to other articles that I have created. In the past, I have noticed your additions but failed to say thanks. I appreciate your taking the time to do so. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:59, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Greetings Eddie Blick - Ever since I found out about the "Rater" assessment tool, it's much easier to update those talk pages. If you would be interested to know more, checkout info about the WP Bio backlog here. When I first started assessments the backlog was over 95,000 & now thanks to a number of us "hammering" it's now about 75,000. Each day, I work on "H" alphabet ones first. Would you be able to "Adopt-a-letter", maybe E or B? So far we have not been overwhelmed with too many volunteers. Even if you could do a few each day it would help. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 02:23, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
I will be glad to try it. If I have questions, I may get back in touch with you. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:44, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Question about "Default sort" and "Listas" for an article[edit]

While using the Rater program on articles in the B section of uncategorized BLP articles, I saw Bashiru Ademola Raji in the list and decided to add the "Listas" parameter so that the article would not show up under B. I was surprised to find that the article has "DEFAULTSORT:Ademola Raji". Shouldn't "Bashiru" be in the default sort? I initially thought that "Listas" and "Default sort" would both use "Raji, Bashiru Ademola"; now I'm not sure. What are your thoughts? Eddie Blick (talk) 02:36, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@Teblick: - Good catch of article error, i.e., Def.sort = incorrect. When the bot adds articles to WP Bio. it does not add the "listas" value, so it defaults to left-to-right alpha of the article name. Talk pages without the Listas are usually from the bot.
Here's another shortcut: (1) if WP bio is the only talk page entry, add a second WP (for example: WikiProject Football), (2) then delete WP Biography (withthe X on left side), (3) then re-add WP Bio. & Rater automatically fills in the correct "Listas" value for you. Very helpful, especially for some of those really long names. There is a word of caution however, see here for details.
Yes, from time-to-time I have seen where DEFAULTSORT is missing or incorrect, not matching Listas. So cleanup is needed. JoeHebda (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. I have corrected the name in "Default sort" and added it in "Listas". That reminds me of a related question. When a talk page has more than one project template, is the "Listas" parameter needed in each template? I wondered because when I mistyped a name in a second template a couple of weeks ago, an error message appeared to warn me that the two values of "Listas" differed. Eddie Blick (talk) 15:38, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
@Teblick: - It's my understanding that as long as WP Bio. has the "Listas" it is not needed on others. So the extras can be removed. JoeHebda (talk) 17:38, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. That will help. Eddie Blick (talk) 19:30, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Beware use of Rater script for Military History articles[edit]

I was chastised for the rating that the script put on a Military History article last night. The editor wrote, in part, "Consider while assessing the WP:MILHIST that in order to have Start class and above that the "B-Class 5-criteria checklist" needs to be done correctly." Apparently the script does not evaluate on that basis. I have apologized on the editor's talk page and promised not to rate any more Military History articles. I just thought I would warn you that you might want to avoid using Rater on such articles. Eddie Blick (talk) 16:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@Teblick: - Thanks for the advice however User:Adamdaley already notified me here and here. I know it's frustrating to be told what not to do with no explanation of how to assess MILHIST correctly (other than to read the assessment criteria). So here is what I do: 1. User Rater tool to "sneak a peek" at the article, especially the ORES rating which is often (but not always) correct. 2. Then "Cancel" Rater. 3. Then I can go in and manually do assessment. On many un-assessed MILHIST articles, the Class-B checklist is missing, so I add that leaving all the criteria blank except for B3 or B4 that are may be "Y".

Before Assessment
  • Add the B-Class 5-criteria checklist as shown in the example below.
  • Do not assess articles with the Rater assessment tool. Learn more about the Rater tool here.

Happy assessing!


After Assessment
  • Example below
  • Added assessment, class = Start. For "Stub" articles, leave class blank.
  • Article meets critera for both 3 and 4. Leave other criteria blank - do not add any "N".


As you can see, I like to use Examples. Hope this helps. Cheers! JoeHebda (talk) 19:07, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate your advice and examples, but I am going to just leave articles in that project untouched. That approach will be better for me and for those who are qualified to properly assess the articles. The backlog has plenty of articles from other areas with which I can help. Eddie Blick (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Infoboxes tweaks[edit]

You have changed the design of quite a few navbox footers. Did you have general discussion about the pros and cons of your edits in these? PPEMES (talk) 23:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

@PPEMES: - please clarify quite a few above. From time to time, I am adding wraplinks to a navbox to fix right side overflow issue (navbox links going beyond/outside the right margin). Found this solution via my inquiry at VPT. Discussion should not be needed for those kind of improvements. JoeHebda (talk) 13:57, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Notably a couple of the ones listed in the footer of the article Catholic Church. PPEMES (talk) 13:41, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).

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William Helmreich[edit]


I'm William Helmreich, whose Wikipedia page you edited and I'd like to speak with you in a friendly way about it. There are some things you may not be aware of.Would you be willing to do so?

If yes, please contact me at [email protected] Thank you.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:French founders[edit]

A tag has been placed on Category:French founders requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

New Page - related to Helmut Veith[edit]

Hi! Jobe well done when it comes to the article on Helmut Veith. I am mapping Austrian computer science scene. I have created a new wikipedia article about Vienna Center for Logic and Algorithms, which was co-founded by Helmut Veith (1971-2019). The article is still in review, and it needs editors. Do you know someone who could review the article? Best

Your draft article, Draft:Iglesia de San Bartolomé (Puelles)[edit]

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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! CptViraj (📧) 09:31, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 49, 2019)[edit]

Hello, JoeHebda.

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Coffee cake

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2019[edit]

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Administrator changes

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This week's article for improvement (week 50, 2019)[edit]

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Brain Electrical Oscillation Signature Profiling

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This week's article for improvement (week 51, 2019)[edit]

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A ballet leap performed with modern, non-classical form in a contemporary ballet

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Tom & Jerry as served at Karl Ratzsch's, Milwaukee.jpg Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well JH. MarnetteD|Talk 04:55, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Ichthus January 2020[edit]

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WikiProject Christianity
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The Top 3 most-popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:

    1. Pope Benedict XVI – retired prelate of the Catholic Church who served as head of the Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State from 2005 until his resignation.
    2. Pope Francis – the head of the Catholic Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State. Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from the Americas, the first from the Southern Hemisphere, and the first pope from outside Europe since the Syrian Gregory III, who reigned in the 8th century.
    3. Dolly Parton – an American singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, actress, author, businesswoman, and humanitarian, known primarily for her work in country music. Quotations related to Dolly Parton at Wikiquote: "I just depend on a lot of prayer and meditation. I believe that without God I am nobody, but that with God, I can do anything."
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Сретение Господне ("The Meeting of the Lord"), a depiction of Simeon recognising Jesus at the Temple, from a fifteenth-century Novgorodskye School Russian icon.

A Song for Simeon, is a 37-line poem written in 1928 by American-English poet T. S. Eliot (1888–1965). It is one of five poems that Eliot contributed to the Ariel poems series of 38 pamphlets by several authors published by Faber and Gwyer. "A Song for Simeon" was the sixteenth in the series and included an illustration by avant garde artist Edward McKnight Kauffer. The poem's narrative echoes the text of the Nunc dimittis, a liturgical prayer for Compline from the Gospel passage. Eliot introduces literary allusions to earlier writers Lancelot Andrewes, Dante Alighieri and St. John of the Cross. Critics have debated whether Eliot's depiction of Simeon is a negative portrayal of a Jewish figure and evidence of anti-Semitism on Eliot's part. (more...)

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~ Jacques Ellul
French philosopher, sociologist, and professor who was a noted Christian anarchist.
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